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Darie

by Cometduster

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This is Darie she is one of my Characters, I will tell you a little something about her. She is very picky about what she wears,It had to have ruffles because she love to dance, And the funny thing she thinks she gets better when she has dreamberrys,(But we can imagine what she really looks like). Well she is not colored because we are having a argument about what color she is going to wear.... :-\

Posted February 10, 2011, 05:21:39 PM



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Afke

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Comment #1 - Posted February 11, 2011, 03:11:38 AM
She looks like someone who wants to be noticed, so I'd say make it a bright color! And make the fabric contrast with those ribbons at the hip and collar, that should help. :)

Cometduster

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Comment #2 - Posted February 11, 2011, 01:05:31 PM
We worked to out and we had picked pink and orange but the orange is a little to soft, Like you said Afke bright colors, so I will find a brighter orange.And when I have a little more time I will add some back ground to it...:)

Razzle

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Comment #3 - Posted February 11, 2011, 02:39:05 PM
I love this picture! She has such attitude.. You did say level 3, so here goes: there's something... not quite right with the way her head sits on her neck. The waist twists naturally, with a fluid and graceful movement, but the head doesn't quite seem to belong. It's extremely subtle though, and I don't personally have the skill to do better! (Maybe even not this well.) The hair looks awesome, and like it must have been complicated to draw!

Cometduster

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Comment #4 - Posted February 14, 2011, 04:04:33 PM
I agree with what you are saying about the head. I just don't know how to fix it...never to drawing classes.

Razzle

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Comment #5 - Posted February 14, 2011, 07:42:30 PM
Me neither, but I did have a thought... Did you draw the head first, or last? What if you tried the reverse of whichever it was? If you're having trouble, for example, fitting the head onto the existing body or vice versa? *shrug* That kindof thing sometimes has helped me on things, but this is more advanced than I've gotten to with art in the first place, as poisitions go. :P

Cometduster

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Comment #6 - Posted February 15, 2011, 05:24:43 AM
I usually do the head first...I will try something different what will it hurt....Thanks

Afke

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Comment #7 - Posted February 15, 2011, 08:12:52 AM
I usually do the head last, so I can get it in the right proportion of the body (or bodies, this works especially better if you draw more than one figure) AND position it in the right angle. I always do smaller parts last, and in full body pictures that's stuff like hands and also the head.

Eregyrn

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Comment #8 - Posted February 15, 2011, 08:34:56 AM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but one of the things you should probably learn to do is to block out a figure in rough form before getting into the detail of each "piece".  This builds a bit on what Afke is describing above, and I think it would help you with the problem seen in this figure, which is that the individual parts are good, but they don't quite seem like they fit together -- in particular, with the head not seeming like it belongs to this figure.  One of the issues that many artists run into (and this is certainly true of me!) is that if you start doing all your detailed work on one piece of a figure, you "lose sight" of the figure as a whole.  In this case, knowing that you started on the head, it seems to me that what happened is that you had an idea for how you wanted the figure to look, but the type of head you drew actually wasn't that well-suited to the pose of the figure.  You would avoid this if you blocked out the figure in a rough way first, and then worked on the details of each part of it. It also helps to get the proportions right (or at least, it's a start).

Unfortunately, I'm not having a lot of luck finding visual examples to show you, of what I mean by "blocking a figure", and I sympathize with the fact that if you don't already know, then it's silly to expect this advice to do you much good.  Maybe this would be a useful new Tools of the Trade thread?  I mean, I'm sure that a number of artists here have their own approach to laying out a drawing before they start doing the detail work.  I don't know that I have ever scanned that rough stage before -- it usually gets obliterated by the more finished sketch, but every drawing I do starts with that stage.  I'm also sure that each artist here who does it, does it slightly differently, and seeing a variety of such approaches may be useful to others -- in part, to emphasize that there's no one "right" way to do it, and it's a matter of coming up with a technique that works for you.  But at the moment, I'm not having any luck just finding a tutorial that already talks about and illustrates the concept.  So maybe we need to create one.

(I should also add that I could swear that one of the EQ Gatherums had some pieces by Wendy that showed figure blocking like what I'm talking about, and also proportions of elven heads, and so on.  But I don't see them online anywhere.  That's something that might be useful for one of us to scan, if we can find them, and post in such a Tools thread.)
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Razzle

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Comment #9 - Posted February 15, 2011, 09:49:56 AM
Those sketches from Wendy you mentioned -- I was looking at them the other day! They're at ElfQuest.Com, under "Fun Stuff" then "How to Draw".

Eregyrn

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Comment #10 - Posted February 15, 2011, 12:21:06 PM
Some of them are, but not all of the same ones I'm thinking of.  Unless I missed them!  But I just looked again as I was writing this comment.

Cometduster

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Comment #11 - Posted February 15, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
I usually put the head up first because if I don't I sometime run out of room. Then I will do a rough sketch of the body, so I'm able to fix things as I go. Then I will start doing the detail like the skirt and top. I have to say I am more afraid of the face. Thank you everyone for helping me and telling me places to go,I appreciate all of the help.....*HUGS and KISSES* for all of you....

Afke

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Comment #12 - Posted February 16, 2011, 01:24:05 AM
Running out of room is exactly the problem you may encounter, if you don't do a rough sketch first of where you want everything to go. I think starting a thread on this in the forum is a very good idea!

Eregyrn

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Comment #13 - Posted February 16, 2011, 07:11:23 AM
I've definitely had the experience of running out of room on the paper!  Esp. since I only ever work on 8.5"x11" paper. But the advantage of doing a really rough layout sketch is that it's "low investment".  I usually start with the body because it's going to take up the most space, but yeah, sometimes I've sketched in a rough body and found I don't have enough room for the head. I've even used my  lightbox to make redoing the sketch on a different piece of paper, and repositioning the figure, easier.

I did find the Wendy piece I was thinking of in the Big Gatherum; but it's really only Cutter's head.  Which is still useful!  I may try to scan that in.  Her other figural layouts are more about figuring out the proportions of EQ elves, than about rough figure positioning.  She does have a few nice progression pieces on EQ.com that show her first rough layouts and then follows through to a more finished piece... but I think those can also be a little intimidating, I don't know.  They kind of intimidate *me*, because even the sketches are pretty complex.  They're found here:

http://www.elfquest.com/fun/Sketches1.html
http://www.elfquest.com/fun/Sketches2.html

On the first page, I think "The Lodestone" has a particularly nice example of a very rough, positioning sketch where the figures are very low on detail, and it's all about blocking them out to refine later.

Cometduster

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Comment #14 - Posted February 17, 2011, 05:13:15 PM
So what part of the body do you start with? So I could try something else.I all so use 8.5"x11" paper to. I do remember those sketches of Wendy's. I have to agree with you there are very intimidating. Now does anyone have problems with the lines showing up even though you erased them? That is why I try to limit how rough my rough sketch is.

Afke

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Comment #15 - Posted February 18, 2011, 08:26:00 AM
Like said, the biggest shape; the body. Then attach the limbs to it (and head, loosely drawn as a circle), sometimes only in a stick-figure way, before I give them their actual shape!

It's true your first line doesn't have to be the final line; when it comes to erasing, what kind of pencil do you use to sketch? If you use really hard ones, you can sketch and erase very lightly (2H, H). The softer the pencil gets (2B, 4B, and I even use 9B), the darker the lines get and the harder it is to erase, so I only use them in the last phase (if I'm doing a pencil drawing that I won't ink).

If your sketch is really messy and you can't erase, try tracing your drawing on a new piece of paper. If you don't have a lightbox for this, a friend of mine once improvised a temporary one by putting a lamp on the floor shining up while she was working on a glass plate above it.

Eregyrn

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Comment #16 - Posted February 18, 2011, 09:30:14 AM
Well, I seldom do things that are intended to stay as just a pencil piece.  (Even when I do, I do my pencil finishing with a black Prismacolor pencil, not a graphite pencil.)  Usually I'm doing a pencil sketch in order to ink over it.

In order to avoid the problem of having to erase pencil lines, a while ago I moved into doing all my sketches in non-photo-blue pencil.  That's what I use for the very rough blocking layout, and then I also use it to add all the detail.  Then I ink over it (or go over it in the black pencil).  When I scan the piece, I can scan on a setting that just won't pick up the light-blue pencil marks.  (And I always scan in order to clean up some of the ink-work, and usually to print it out for coloring.)  I have also employed Afke's suggestion of using a lightbox to "transfer" the pencil sketch to a new piece of paper -- like, when I've erased some bits on the first sketch so many times that I can't even draw effectively on that bit of paper any more.  (Another "cheap light-box" method is to hold the paper up to a window with daylight beyond it.  I've used that method when I didn't feel like hauling out the light-box.  I agree, the cost of those things is no joke.  I was lucky enough to inherit my father's, which probably dates from the early 70s and is quite different from the ones they sell today.)

Razzle

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Comment #17 - Posted February 18, 2011, 11:20:49 AM
*grin* Well, I'm weird. I usually start with the top of the hair and work my way down the page! Probably not too artistically sound, but it works for me...

Treefox

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Comment #18 - Posted February 20, 2011, 07:23:34 AM
I also start my sketches by blocking out the figure roughly. I often use the "classical" basic shapes, like making the head a round shape first and starting to get a more detailed shape from that. A bit like described in this tutorial, especially like the female figure on the left lower part:
http://odduckoasis.deviantart.com/art/Anatomy-Tutorial-27484310?q=boost%3Apopular%20human%20tutorial&qo=3

Cometduster

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Comment #19 - Posted February 24, 2011, 02:30:11 PM
Thank you all very much for all of this vital information, This will help me a lot. Treefox this tutorial is awsome I needed something like this...I'm going to get to work on a new drawing and I will post them in piece....:)
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